By: blog on May 16, 2011

John Fetterman
Festival of Ideas for the New City interviews John Fetterman, two-time mayor of Braddock, Pennsylvania, after the Mayoral Panel for The Sustainable City on May 6, 2011.
Festival of Ideas for the New City: Given its formal industrial past, it would seem that there would be significant environmental and health issues that affect Braddock – air quality, soil contamination, water contamination, etc. What, if anything, are you doing to address these issues, especially since you’re trying to attract new residents and industries?*
John Fetterman: They’re huge. We’re eight miles away from the most toxic area in America in Clairton, Pennsylvania — I encourage you to check it out. Eight miles away from Braddock is the most toxic area from the environmental protection standpoint’s survey from 2005. There’s no close second in fact, and that’s the home of US Steel’s coke plant. One out of every four children in our town has asthma. It’s poverty driven, unfortunately there’s a strong correlation with race and environmental social justice in towns like Braddock. And for me to suggest that I can figure that out in the next couple of years – these are large intractable problems and when you’ve got the most toxic area in the nation eight miles away and when the winds blow up what can we as a country tolerate, the citizens, the so-called least among us living under these kind of circumstances?
IdeasNYC: So it becomes a public policy issue?
JF: Yes, much higher than my pay-grade. We can’t have an adult conversation in this country, unfortunately, about the environment, because it quickly turns into, “You’re making this up, everything’s fine”, into “Really, everything’s fine?”, I mean have you seen the weather lately – about 300 people killed in tornadoes.
IdeasNYC: Do you think that what you have done in Braddock can be replicated elsewhere?*
JF: I don’t know. Something needs to be done for these kind of forgotten communities. There’s an extraordinarily large number of communities – maybe not quite as struggling as Braddock, but there’s a lot of places that aren’t going to attract, like you got the top tier: you got NY, Philly, Seattle you have these other cities, and then you have these much smaller places and towns and it’s like: what’s going to come and be there? What’s going to float their boat? That’s kind of like the public policy challenge that has really helped drive me. And that’s been the source of my interests from an educational standpoint and I’m very honored to put that into practice in my day-to-day.
IdeasNYC: What do you see the role of these smaller manufacturing cities playing in the U.S. in the next 10 or 20 years.*
JF: They’re not playing a really key role. They’re playing an increasingly diminishing role because they’re losing populations. You know, Detroit lost 25% of its population. Our town is losing at least 25% of its population. What’s going to change things? And that’s why I was involved in the Environmental Defense Fund’s campaign to help pass Cap and Trade. I really believe in Green Energy Revolution. There’s 180 tons of steel in a windmill and 4K/5K moving parts — that’s a lot of manufacturing jobs for people in this country. And if not that: what? What is going to help rebuild our middle class? What is going to be able help small manufacturing cities across the country that aren’t going to ever attract, or get the creative class? They’re not going to move a semi-conductor plant to McKeesport, Pennsylvania. It’s just never going to happen. What can sustain these cities from imploding on themselves?
IdeasNYC: That’s a rather bleak outlook, no?
JF: Anyone who ignores that there’s a bleak aspect to a lot of this would just be sugarcoating it. I don’t. I’ve always come from a place of being very upfront and honest of the condition of a lot of these places because you know there’s a lot of…well, if 9 out of 10 people left and moved out of this town they’d have some serious conditions here. So I don’t ever want to be Pollyana or that: “Hey we’ll just get this knocked out in the next couple of years!” It’s a serious, long-term problem.
IdeasNYC: Have you experienced any blowback over the “yuppification” of Braddock?
JF: No, no! And that’s the thing: Braddock is gentrification-proof. Our challenge has consistently been abandonment and people leaving. And you know, if the average price of a home is around four-to-five thousand dollars, let’s say home prices triple: you’re still talking fifteen-thousand dollars for a single-family home. So you know we’re not in the market of pricing anybody out. Every structure that we kind of redid, we’ve rebuilt, we’ve re-imagined was a formerly abandoned space. So no-one’s ever been displaced in any of these efforts. I just think, again, I can’t aspire to platinum certified buildings, LEED-certification, you know, like I said in the presentation, I consider it a success if I keep a building out of a landfill.
IdeasNYC: Have you had further progress with your 2008 inquiry to bring the funds from the Recovery and Reinvestment Act to Braddock?
JF: Not really, unfortunately, the funds that have really helped bring Braddock along come from other sources and I have gone on record with my frustrations saying that they’ll give AIG $80 billion dollars over a couple weeks but they won’t build a new playground in our town. It’s that great line how the rich got socialism and the poor got capitalism, and we got demolished. I posed the question, ‘What would this country look like today if there was an equivalent level of intervention and concern to save the blue collar jobs as there is to save the white collar jobs? What would our country look like? What would Braddock look like? We’ll never know unfortunately. We got capitalism in the late 70′s and 80′s. They’ve socialized the money and prioritized the profits and that’s the big economic injustice of our era.
IdeasNYC: What did you find interesting about your follow mayors this evening at the panel?
JF: Well, Mayor Nutter, he’s the mayor of the state’s largest city and you have all the kind of issues that come with that. You have the mayor of Seattle who has a different set of problems – some are good problems to have and then you have Medellín, with violence. It was a great panel and I am honored to be on it. For a guy that’s coming from my level to be on a panel with the mayor of the largest city in the state, it’s quite a contrast.
*Denotes a reader question